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How To Totally Fake Being A Geek

Date/Time Permalink: 03/20/06 03:48:43 am
Category: Geek Culture

Yes, it's come to this. The same people you raked on in high school now run the world and control every gizmo you own or want to own. And, as you hold your "normal" identity throughout your life, there are times when it may be advantageous to pose as a geek. Maybe to convince your first date that you have job prospects beyond "Walmart clerk". Maybe to slip in the door at Comdex. Perhaps even to escape being hacked to death by the evil-looking punks at the Internet cafe, the ones with the Tux penguin tattoos and the Mohawks who are eying your laptop. Hint: They don't like you because of the suit and tie; they HATE that!

Well, fear not, hopeless lamer, I, a certified geek, will give you a rundown of how to pass as a geek for brief moments. Understand, these tactics will in no way work over the long term, like, say, a marriage. But in quick social exchanges, or to bamboozle your cow-orker, these tricks should work sufficiently to help you fool the rest of us into thinking that you're one of us:

One of the chief attributes of geeks, and intellectuals in general, is attitude. No, attitude doesn't MAKE you a geek, but that's not the point of this article. The point here is to FAKE it. And to fake it, you have to feign interests and opinions, and then be smugly confident that your "choices" are superior to the mainstream's.

Scott Adams, creator of the "Dilbert" comic strip, has a chapter in one of his books about enhancing your aura at work by posing as a "prima-donna", which is very similar in tactics to this article. Here again, it's all about the pretended-to attitude.

What defines geeks the most is the range of interests. Use these tricks to speak in the tribal tongue of geeks:

Math: Of course, if you have a calculator, use it. Geeks do that, too. It isn't about being able to do complex calculations in your head; it's about using the techie tools to free up your brain for less mundane functions. And by all means, top the other person in arcanity of equipment. If they have a Radio Shack, whip out a Texas Instruments. If they have a Texas Instruments, unclip your slide-rule. Facing a slide-rule? They make portable abacuses! Slide your beads around on your abacus and comment how you saw these things in a whole new light after you read Feynman about computing cube roots on them.

Primes: All prime numbers end in 1, 3, 7, and 9. Just remember those numbers, and look at the last digit of prices, bus numbers, etc. When you encounter one, remark to your companion, "Hey, I think that's prime". Odds are good, provided the number is short enough, that you'll be right. When you work it out on the calculator, even if you were wrong, you will at least get points for the informed hunch.

Counting bases: Learn these words: Binary, Octal, Hexadecimal. Binary is ones and zeros. Octal uses zero thru seven. Hexadecimal uses all the standard numbers, plus the letters A through F. Upon encountering, say, a phone number 455-6102, ask, "Is that in decimal or octal?" Point at the license plate AD3 61F and comment that that's a number in "hex". Motel rooms on the first floor, such as 101, 110, etc. are prompts to point and chuckle: "Look, they even number in binary!" It doesn't matter that you have no idea what you're talking about. Don't go out on a limb and try to convert to normal numbers.

Computer Systems: That elite snobbery comes out the hardest in this subject. It's easy, all you have to do is pretend to hate the mainstream choices: Windows, AOL, Intel. Assert Windows is inferior to (pick one or more) Linux, Unix, BeOS, or Macintosh. Act sympathetic upon hearing an email addy ending in "@AOL.com" and say, "Any idea when they're gonna put cable modem in your area?" Snort at Intel commercials and chortle "Give me an AMD Duron any day!" It doesn't matter, again, that you have no idea what you're talking about. When challenged for an explanation, pick any random nonsense and string it together. Insist that your choice is faster, more secure, less expensive, conductive to open source, more efficient, or whatnot. This is exactly how real live conversations between geeks defending their favorite software/hardware go all the time. The point is that you're faking an opinion. Like any random geek, you could still be full of hooey.

Now, when it comes to operating systems, the Geekosphere (I coined it! It's mine! You heard it here first!) has jelled around Linux and BSD. When it comes to Linux distros, you win points the older and more obscure your distro is. Simply look up the history of computing and pick machines and systems going back in 5-year increments; or just learn this phrase: "I run Yggdrasil on a PDP-11. Boy, it was a bitch installing all that from tape!" You'll need a snorkel to breathe underneath the pile of groupies that will sack you. *Any* BSD distro is obscure. The mere name "BSD 386" instantly repels suits like garlic repels vampires.

Software: Games: Any popular computer game will do just fine here, but tend to shy away from the "Sim" genre. Some geeks like Sims, some don't. But almost any geek has at least taken a crack at any game ending in "quest" or "craft", and first-person-shooters. Bonus for enthusing about Myst, Schizm, etc. Claim to have solved Riven in a single day. RPGs stand for Role Playing Games, and there's about 999 flavors of them, and they all copy the original Dungeons and Dragons game. The upshot is that if you mumble something about your level 97 (human | troll | elf | hobbit | orc | halfling) (rogue | ranger | warrior | wizard | mage | necromancer | priest | dunadin | paladin), you will easily pass for a devotee of (Rogue | Nethack | Angband | Diablo | DandD-Classic) without too much trouble.

Applications: While there is the obvious prejudice for emacs, vi, Gimp, Adobe, Mozilla, Firefox, and etc., you're just as well off here letting the other person name a software tool that they use, then caw, "Get a REAL program!"

Programming: Learn not only the names of these programming languages, but the order in which I present them: Basic, Cobol, Pascal, Ada, C, Java, Lisp, Perl, Python, Ruby, Assembler. These are listed in order of "least cool" to "most cool". Now you know what to do. Whenever the person you're talking to name-drops any language on this list, simply pick the next one and assert that this is what YOU prefer. What to do if you meet an assembler programmer? Act like any other geek: impressed! Bug them to teach you how to write a tic-tac-toe game that uses artificial intelligence in assembler. Stand and pretend to absorb their explanation in one shot. Shake your head in marvel and mutter, "And all that time, I was trying to do it the hard way!"

Here's another thing if you're out-trumped by somebody who knows multiple programming languages, including the coolest: make one up! Yes, it's true, there are more languages and variants out there than any human being could possibly keep track of, and new ones get invented all the time. Just call it something like "B/arg3" or "Modico" and claim that it combines the best features of (insert random language #1) and (insert random language #2). The geek you're talking to will simply assume that they've missed the relevant Slashdot articles. Cover up line: "It just reached 'break-even' point last month."

Pretend you like these: TV shows: Babylon V, Star Trek, Carnivale. When you meet a B5 fan, claim ST. Claim B5 to ST fans. Meet a fan of both, ask if they've seen Carnivale. No, Carnivale isn't true geek fare, but it's high-brow enough that you'll pass as one who has "burnt out" on the science fiction genre temporarily. Gain extra points by dropping "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" or "X-Files" into the conversation. Avoid "Sliders" and "Quantum Leap", they died on cancellation. Don't even claim affection for "Firefly", because Firefly is so supercool, even it's fans disown it for fear of being flamed by the other fans. It's like the name of a diety: never say it out loud.

Movies: Original Star Trek movies, Lord of the Rings movies (but be sure to mention that they came CLOSE to re-creating the books), Highlander, the Fifth Element, Minority Report, Blade Runner, Alien (deny ever having seen the sequels), Sneakers, marginal reference to the Star Wars series (all geeks have seen Star Wars movies, but seldom RAVE about them), any Monty Python movie, The Rocky Horror Picture Show, and anime. Beware of wanna-be fodder that's marketed to geeks (and which some geeks, sadly, fall for), such as Hackers, Trekies, Wargames, Short Circuit, and The Matrix series. And whatever you do, don't use the Rocky Horror one unless you're sure that the other person _isn't_ a Rocky Horror fan, because the last thing you want to do is be caught not having every single line, song, and nuance from this movie memorized.

Hobbies: The more obscure, the better. You can always start out with the standard model-building, model railroads, chess, Medievalism. But since geeks love being narrow, beleaguered minorities, don't let that stop you from picking increasingly more esoteric interests, until you're assured that the person you're talking to will never be able to trip you up on cross examination. Instead of crossword, say cryptic. Instead of chess, say go. Instead of tennis, say fencing. Best is to find something that NOBODY ELSE IN THE ROOM HAS HEARD OF. Including interests of your own sole invention. Tell me "I collect cephalopod footprint fossils." doesn't hush the room.

Books to leave out on the coffee table: Comics: Dilbert, Bloom County, The 5th Wave, The Far Side, and ANY super-hero comic, Marvel being preferably cooler to DC. What matters in comic books isn't which one, but that you, a grown adult with a job, like ANY of them enough to own one.

Other: Any book with pictures of the following on the cover: robots, vampires, barbarians, castles, aliens, UFOs, other planets, mythical beings (i.e. elves, unicorns, dragons), galaxies, spaceships, and equations. Bonus points acquire for each of these items on the cover of the same book. It doesn't matter what the title is, or whether it's fiction or non-fiction.

Science names to drop: Buckminster Fuller, Richard Feynman, Stephen W. Hawking, Isaac Asimov, Benjamin Franklin, Blaise Pascal. Einstein is too mainstream.

Good luck, and remember to think of me when you get to third base with that Silicon Valley groupie!

UPDATE: 8/3/06 Hello, Digg and Reddit readers! So far my hosting server has been holding up. I'm kind of surprised that this one of all posts would get linked from two sites at once. It's kinda old; could use updating or a sequel.
Glad to see most everybody 'gets' it! (-:

UPDATE: 11/6/06 If you got here looking for some humor about the cancelled FOX show Firefly, I highly recommend "Why Fox cancelled Firefly". Brilliantly funny!

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Comments:

Comment from: illoki [Visitor]
"Two by two, hands of blue."

There, I broke down and said it, may Joss forgive me, heh.
Comment from: Glen [Visitor]
I already do all those things, but for real (No, I really do like the Star trek movies) But citing ADA as a programming language? C'mon!
Gawd, I'm a geek and I don't even need to fake it!
Comment from: Vader [Visitor]
COBOL cooler than BASIC?
Yeah.
Comment from: yo [Visitor]
ADA is a programming language....
Comment from: Bob [Visitor] · http://bob.bob
Wow, this is the gayest article I've read this week! Excellent work! I always love to feel a little bit more gay, and I'm pretty gay, but the huge faggotry of this article tipped me over the edge. Thanks!
Comment from: dogma [Visitor]
the required reading list should be expanded a little.

the hitchikers guide to the galaxy
Neuromancer
Do androids dream of electric sheep
1984

Comment from: Sam [Visitor]
"Two by two, hands of blue." FireFly owns.
Comment from: Arnar [Visitor]
Great stuff. Two points though... Java should be between Basic and Cobol for _real_ geeks :o) and most geeks I know (including myself) don't play computer games at all - and if they do occasionally, they rarely know the name of the last game they tried.
Comment from: uff [Visitor]
And remember: Always refer to "the hitchikers guide to the galaxy "as "H2G2". And don't like the movie.
Comment from: Scatman Dan [Visitor] · http://blog.scatmania.org/
So 5 isn't a prime number, then? Wow; I'm learning.

Great article.
Comment from: Luke Welling [Visitor] · http://lukewelling.com/
You are obviously not a programmer.

Sure, old dead languages are uncool (Cobol, Pascal, Ada) and Basic has never been cool.

Real geeks rate Java low on the geek-cool scale. Java is the language de jour for geek impersonators who figure that a borderline grasp of programming will get them a job.

C done well on the other hand generally ranks just below assembler for geek cred.
Comment from: sonique [Visitor] · http://sonique54.free.Fr
9 isn't a primes number, but 11 is !
9/3 = 3 !

sonique
Comment from: Ted Lemon [Visitor] · http://nyampa.blogspot.com
I assume that the point of this article is to give people who want to pose as geeks but don't have a clue just enough rope to hang themselves with. 21? 39? Oi.
Comment from: josh [Visitor]
The "science names to drop" list is also sorely lacking. I have only two additions.
Where Alan Turing will earn you the epithet of "ghei," try Micheal Faraday. Or is the latter too "mainstream?"
Comment from: Wash [Visitor]
Heh, it's a fair attempt, but "any random geek" would be able to pick out anyone attempting to fake it. Faking is faking, and there's no way around it.

Anyways, I'm not sure who would wanna get to third base with a Silicon Valley groupie...

Oh suggestion: Favorite comedian: say Tina Fey. Yeah baby..
Comment from: schwal [Visitor]
ajax must be on there somewhere, as the totaly awesome combination of javascript and xml.

also, assembler needs to be further down, as does java. c deserves the top spot.

btw, the modern ti's are the norm, hp's are way more arcane. and mensioning that fps's still havent mached quake 2 will get you big cred. cause everyone knows it's true. not to say the half lifes, unreals, and halos have been bad. just not perfect. bonus points for naming the place the lab scequences were filmed in tron.

webcomics are also big. try userfriendly (.org), pvp (online.com), penny-arcade (.com)or reallife (comics.com).
and for the love of all things good and holy, never, ever mention megatokyo. ever.
Comment from: Visitor from digg [Visitor]
To the commenters:
The prime number thingie is 100% correct for primes > 10.
It's not very geeky to point out that a 1 digit number is a prime.
Also a good rule of thumb: if the sum of the digits in a number is divisible by 3, the number is divisible by 3 and NOT a prime. E.g. 16041=1+6+0+4+1=12. So add up the numbers before you cry wolf.

Also, as an MScEE who's studied/worked in C/C++/Assembler/Java/Pascal/perl, and can understand Ruby/Python/Ada/lisp code, I'd say the coolness line goes:
(Pascal), (Java), Cobol, (C++), Perl, Python, Ruby, C, Ada, Lisp, Assembler.
Java is C++ for dummies, C# (and all things .NET) is Java for dummies.
BASIC was for 12 year olds, and that was 25 years ago - grow up!

P.s. I am in a waterpolo team (honest!), so I know what I'm talking about.
Comment from: rds_works [Visitor]
pretty funny article. reading somethings makes me feel more like a geek. but whatever, street cred is where it is at... when people come asking for help fixing their computers, thats when u know ur one. Windows is not always bashed (ignore the pun.. if you got that you are a geek ;) )
Comment from: andrew [Visitor] · http://andrew.org
Scatman Dan: yes, I think he forgot one: "try to make statements which are correct from a strict logical point of view, but otherwise completely pointless".
Comment from: Ivan Minic [Visitor] · http://www.burek.co.yu
Haha! Brilliant!
Comment from: Kwesi [Visitor]
good article, and about the primes were you trying to throw the wannabes off track or are you inept? and why the heck is C so far down the list of cool. also for programming maybe you should mention partaking in Perl or C code obfuscation contests. Also for vocabulary note the use of google as a verb, adjective and noun. For games Myth and Zork and maybe the elder scrolls but that has been trolled by lesser beings and is unworthy of mention in geekdom
Comment from: Rogue_Agent [Visitor]
Great article, though I disagree with your comic comment. Marvel rocks, but DC is where the biggest names are. BATMAN! SUPERMAN! Any geek could have day long debates on the classic argument Superman vs Batman.

Keep up the good work!
Comment from: D.G. [Visitor]
"mythical beings"? What I'm not real? wow...now that is a mind freak exercise! oh and Firfly, yeah RIP....but please be ressurected soon!
Comment from: jay vaughan [Visitor] · http://virus.info/

what, no farscape! pschaw!!! no BeBox? no nextcube? weak!
Comment from: Yoyo [Visitor]
Nice job. I don't think the intent of the article was to teach outsiders the lingo and culture of "Geeks", but as an entertaining reflection of the culture itself. I chuckled at many of the examples that related to myself and my friends.
Maybe I'm reaching, but the writer seems very accepting of who he is and what he represents. That is ultra cool and real in any culture or group.
Comment from: Scar [Visitor]
What about mangas then? I don't like Marvel nor DC...I don't want to be a false-false geek! Help me!

Moreover, can I pretend I'm using a wiki to log my everyday shopping lists or is it way too lame?
Comment from: Killroy [Visitor]
Frankly as programming language I always like to namedrop some of my own creation. Any true geek will at one point in time have created at least one programming language. And in this case I actually like to go with the most mainstream ones, so I can quote references on other sites on my languages. Of course you can make up any name on the spot (preferrably consisting of a single punctuation symbol).

Also, the questions of languages can be neatly sidestepped by changing the topic to programming paradigms. Just drop phrases like "genetic programming", "evolutionary computing", In fact chain any biological (or physics) term with any random computing term and you'll be fine ("binary breeding", "hierarchical calculations", "serial protein bus" all sound plausible while beeing irrefutable)
Comment from: Paul Maddox [Visitor]
Wow, people replying need to learn to read..
Those saying 5 is a prime number and 9 isn't should re-read the article ;-
"All prime numbers _end_ in 1, 3, 7, and 9"

whilst technically the number 9 on its own is also the 'end' of the number, the implication is that it should at the end of anumber, ie "5629"

Another point, making reference to 'classic' early 8 bit games (defender, galaxians, tempest, etc) will also earn you 'geek points'.

And finally, mentioning obscure musicians who work in obscure musical fields (Cage, Stochausen) also gains you 'geek points'.

Comment from: Neil [Visitor] · http://www.geekster.org
This was too funny. I really had a good laugh after readig this. I had to send it on to some of my cow-workers who love to pick on my geekyness! Heck I have my own geeky domain. How can that be fake? I hope to see a part two or a second edition to this article! Way too funny!
Comment from: Paul Maddox [Visitor]
Further comment, suffering with a problem like dyspraxia (that's me) and/or dyslexia also gets you geek points..

Paul (Wishing I'd used my spell checker *BEFORE* posting my previous comment).
Comment from: tharg [Visitor]
Counting bases: A tricky one. Stay safe with something like: "Why is currency on The Simpsons in base 10, when they only have 8 digits". [Insert Guffaw]. Also, practice that geeky guffaw. While we're on the sunject, there are bonus points for the "cola out of the nose" trick.

Primes: It's not enought to know what primes are you have to be able to search for them yourself (mention the Mersenne project). That way you get to ramble on about what distro you favour for finding primes. On second thoughts. primes are lame. Perfect numbers are a better choice.

TV shows: A massive oversight is the ommission of Xena, Warrior Princess (equal 1st with Judit Polgar as your ideal mate). Avoid the pitball of getting dragged into a "which is the best Star Trek series of all time" by saying "its all good" (in Klingon). Then mention that a distant relative was an extra on ToS.

Scientists: Omit that charlatan, Stephen W. Hawking. Instead choose someone who actually contributed to science: Nikolai Tesla or Fritz Zwicky for example. Ignore the "wet sciences" completely unless it involves DNA sequencing.

Movies: "Alien (but not the sequels)". I like your style! Without a doubt one of the greatest works of art the world has ever known. But you missed the greatest of them all: Spacehunter, Adventures in the Forbidden Zone (in 3-D).

Comics: DC is gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that. Obscure Marvel superheros (eg Nova) or supervillians (eg Mephisto) are a better choice. Obscure female Marvel Superheros (Valkyre, Hellcat, Ms. Marvel) are better. Naturally, obscure female Marvel supervillians trump everything (I'm not telling).

Hobbies: "cephalopod footprint fossils". You are in error. Cephalopods don't have feet. A safe bet is to stay with that old reliable, dinosaur poo.

Comment from: ByteDoc [Visitor]
Geeks would google terms before referring to them as self-invented and being the first to use them - makes for the perfect fake-phrase to get caught very very badly ...
There is even http://www.geekosphere.net/ ...
Maybe I'm a different kind of geek, mentioning this instead of complaining about prime numbers ... who knows ...
Comment from: Pantheraleo [Visitor]
Oh come on... How could you rate Ada as having less "Coolness" value then Ruby or Python? Ada clearly has much more coolness factor then either Ruby or Python, cause it meets both of the following criteria.

#1: Not many other geeks will know it.

#2: It's one of those languages you learn just for the geek value, because it has virtually no prospect of helping you find a better job or anything like that in today's world.
Comment from: Janes to blame [Visitor]
So whats your favriote color? & Where do you get your weed?
Comment from: Matthew [Visitor] · http://www.osbornewood.com
Chess does work well in the US, but I would hesitate to use it in Europe. It's an official sport over there!
Comment from: Pantheraleo [Visitor]
"Real geeks rate Java low on the geek-cool scale. Java is the language de jour for geek impersonators who figure that a borderline grasp of programming will get them a job."

Anyone who claims this obviously doesn't know Java that well. You need far more than a borderline grasp of programming to work with Java in any kind of real capacity that involves design patterns and such. In fact, this is one of the most common complaints against Java and in favor of Ruby / Python. J2EE has become enormously complex.

And "figure it will get them a job?"... Actually, it is more likely to get you a job then any other language out there. Java is still the most in demand skill in the job market. And that alone is enough reason to learn it.
Comment from: 12013 [Visitor] · http://lf digg
wow, I didn't realize I am a geek! 101 I knew quickly was 5. I learned to program in ADA. B5 was awesome.

But... real geeks would have had the Neo Geo video game system!
Comment from: Pantheraleo [Visitor]
btw,

The real reason that geeks tend to rate Java low on the geek-cool scale is poltical. Not technical. They are upset with the way Sun has handled the licensing so far. And the god Richard Stallman (one of the major deities of the geek pantheon) has decreed that they should shun Java because it is "not truly free software."

Java's low rating on the "geek" scale is all politics. Not technical.
Comment from: Notageek [Visitor]
"Real geeks rate Java low on the geek-cool scale."

Actually, most "real geeks" are too busy playing video games, dungeons and dragons, and comic books" to really know the first thing about programming period. So where "real geeks" rate Java is of little interest or importance.
Comment from: Killgore Trout [Visitor]
You forgot a big part of geekdom... War Stories. Every geek has a war story that they will whip out. In this case since you are a total poser (if you have to rely on this blog), it is better to shy away from a programming one and instead use a tech support story. To do have a good made up story for the occasion is easy and a little like mad libs. Start with a place (work, home, family member’s house, neighbor’s house) and the matching person (coworker, boss, secretary, cousin, neighbor, grandmother). Next you need a relatively easy problem (at least for a geek). You could chose problems such as trying to log on using the number pad with the num lock key turned off or having unplugged anything (computer, mouse, keyboard, router, or network cable). Now, all you need to do is rectify the problem but by doing with a geek insult. You could tell the person that their computer was fixed and that the issue was an I-D-10-T error or that there was an issue between the mouse and the ground. Once you have finished laughing at the person who was the focus of the story’s incompetence, you should make reference to the fact that Nick Burns was a misunderstood character. Once your war story is told you are sure to be in with the out crowd at least for a little while.
Comment from: Luke Welling [Visitor] · http://lukewelling.com/
I thought the programming language hierarchy needed putting on paper.

http://lukewelling.com/2006/08/03/java-programmers-are-the-erotic-furries-of-programming/


Comment from: Covarde Anonimo [Visitor] · http://www.comofazer.net
don't forget to own (or mention that you own) gadgets running linux. it can be PDAs, cellphones, routers, and the likes. TiVo doesn't count because it's mainstream. extra geek points if you mention that you hacked linux on it by yourself, warranty be damned.

now, if you mention that you hacked any flavor of BSD on any kind of appliance, be ready to be worshiped like a god.
Comment from: Pato Poc [Visitor]
What about referin to colors in hex?
"Hey, love your #0000FF tshirt!"
Comment from: jamEs [Visitor] · http://www.modsuperstar.ca/
You really glossed over Star Wars in the geek vernacular. Every geek is in denial of Star Wars because of the prequel trilogy, so the typical tact is to disown the newest incarnations, even though you own all of them on DVD. When asked what your favourite Star Wars movie there is no other answer but Empire. Anything else exposes you as a fraud or an Ewok lover.

And I also agree with the comment above about webcomics. No self respecting geek these days doesn't have a laundry list of webcomics they read. A couple that weren't mentioned were ctrl+alt+del and Diesel Sweeties.

Also when it comes to video games and the topic of consoles come up always defer to the Dreamcast. Or say you have an Xbox running Linux. If you mention the PS2 they will look at you like a leper.
Comment from: darkshore [Visitor] · http://www.ytmnd.com
Nice List, But you forgot the obligatory network hacking (war driving?) section and one very good/important web comic: control alt delete. (ctrlaltdel-online.com) what's even better, is that if you're not that much of a geek, chances are you'll understand it. Also with the anime be a bit more specific. Akira and Evangelion are musts among the otaku geeks.
Comment from: OldGeek [Visitor]
You forgot Fortran in your list of languages, as well as Snobol. Fortran was mainstream for a while, but Snobol only briefly saw the light of day.

And what about the various "platforms?" I mean any real geek would have had at least one of the following: Timex Sinclair, Apple II, Commodore VIC-20, C64, Atari ST, Amiga or Mac (one of the originals)
Comment from: Admiral [Visitor]
If you want to be really out on the fringe, maybe even anticool, of programming languages and their Guru you have to mention APL and Iverson
(especially if you used it on a Decwriter with the APL key set)
Also mention J or K as APLs decendant.

If you do mentions GIMPS say your rank or how many numbers you have tested..
Comment from: Xeric [Visitor]
If you have read this far down, you are NOT a geek poser, and thus have no use for this article!
Comment from: Dennis [Visitor]
For movies you should add "Dune"
Comment from: tunercarzrock [Visitor]
I could always ask my dad if he could teach me some of his Turbo Pascal, or FORTRAN, or systems/assembler. That would truly qualify me as one of the Chosen Few.
Comment from: Pantheraleo [Visitor]
"And what about the various "platforms?" I mean any real geek would have had at least one of the following: Timex Sinclair, Apple II, Commodore VIC-20, C64, Atari ST, Amiga or Mac (one of the originals)"

Keep in mind that a lot of geeks are not as old as you and I. In otherwords, they are too young to remember the golden age of home computing, and the "classic home computers" like the Apple II and C64 were already past their day in the limelight by the time a lot of the younger generation geeks came along.
Comment from: pureliquidhw [Visitor] · http://pureliquidhw.blogspot.com
Quantum Leap is NOT dead. Oh boy...
Comment from: Unimpressed [Visitor]
Lost some points for not putting HP calculators on there. HP48 is old school power.

Lost all the rest of your points for putting Java above C. Yeah. If you're a lisping unemployed black turtleneck-wearing hopeful standing in the web design day labor pool in front of the Starbucks or whever they're picked up now.
Comment from: claine1 [Visitor] · http://www.paintedfoot.com
Also a geek remembers Omni magazine with love and yearning.

For those wannabe sensitive new age geeks, add Mists of Avalon to the book list. Chicks dig it. I know I did.
Comment from: Nick Danger [Visitor] · http://www.hackermonkey.com
I've only ever seen one other tux tattoo in person. So chances are rare you'll run into someone that devoted.

Mention some all nighter solving a complex problem that turned out to be a typo in the source code. Blame some windows programmer for making it.
Comment from: AvengedSith [Visitor] · http://www.EmoSucks.co.uk
Whell this has happened To me.. But I think Live your life like The band 'J-A-P', "Live Your Life Any Way You Want" Jake Johnson of the band was a Total-Geek, same with Peter! But they got Thousands Of Dollars! So if you want to be a dumb Emo, be a Dumb Emo, If you want to be punk/goth be punk/goth... Im a geek... I wanted to be though! So.... Yeah 'Live Your Life Kids!'
ps-
PLEASE BE YOURSELF- NOT EMO OR GOTH! Being yourself is the coolest.
Goths think there not being 'Bad' Quotes I got from goths:
Lita Makla- "Im in it for the music" - WHAT??!?! LISTEN TO MUSIC WITHOUT BEING GOTH YOU MOTHER FUCKERZ!!!!!! Sorry- To far... I just get VERY PISSED!
Comment from: yimmy [Visitor] · http://yimmy.net
Goddammit, are you retarded?

lisp lt python lt ruby lt java lt a cum sandwich

Lisp is for faggots that go to college and suck the CS professor's cock. No one uses this stupid shit for anything.

Python is gay, because it's a scripting language for people that don't like Perl. Nevermind that it's the same thing as Perl, but with a shittier syntax and a smaller following.

Ruby just sucks cocks. Period. There is a proven 1-to-1 correlation between using Ruby and sucking cocks.

Java, as has been said, is for blngr homofags that can't program in C++. "JAVA IS TOO AS FAST, IT GETS COMPILED TO OPTIMIZED NATIVE CODE WHEN YOU RUN IT!!!." Oh yeah? Do something simple in it. Count to 10 million by ones. Print "Hello, world!" 10,000 times. Wha-wha did you say? It's ALMOST as fast? LICK A DICK A DAY.
Comment from: Wintermute [Visitor] · http://www.nitemarecafe.com/
Better tips re: computer languages - Laugh when someone mentions BASIC. It sucks, and all geeks know it. And snort "Compiles Only Because Of Luck" when they mention COBOL. Perl is way cooler than PHP or any of the other current languages. And C is just below Assembly. And the more CPUs you can name when saying that you know assembly, the better, especially if they're old and obscure. Remember Z80, 6502, 6809, 6309 (bonus if you can tell the difference between the 6x09's), etc. They'll establish you as an old-school geek, and no one will question you further ;)
Comment from: Igor [Visitor]
Penguin Pete, you rock. I think emulators have to be in there somewhere though.
Comment from: Visitor [Visitor] · http://www.google.com/ig
Intel is no longer the bane of box builders. The Core 2 Duos have won over the hearts and minds of all geekdom.
Comment from: caleb [Visitor]
How to fake it: read the article. How to learn: read the comments.
Comment from: Pantheraleo [Visitor]
re: Luke Welling

Well, I don't agree with your placement of Java on the list... But that's your opinion..

My real question? I fail to see the connection between erotic furries and Java programmers? wtf?

I mean yeah, if you are a fur, you are probably a geek... But...
Comment from: SIm [Visitor]
But I play Sim-quest....
Comment from: Sean [Visitor] · http://www.southernistic.com
I will have to print this off for my non-geek friends so we can at least have a pretend conversation that lasts more than 30 seconds before turning to the weather!
Comment from: Amigo [Visitor]
This is a joke isn't? All of this is among the common knowledge... in my country at least...
Comment from: Rizzo [Visitor]
It may have been mentioned in a comment somewhere already but you forgot to bring up music. Obscure and independent, bands like Freezepop, Komputer Kontroller, and soundtracks to games that aren’t available that that you are sill able to get…
Comment from: Scott [Visitor] · http://www.illiteratewithdrawal.com
There should be one more progression with the calculators: If they have a Texas Instruments, bring out the HP 48G (HP 49G+ only if you don't have the 48) and mention how RPN is much more efficient. If they have a HP 48G, unclip your slide-rule.

Also, there should be something about hating to pay the Tivo subscription fee when building a MythTV or Freevo box is much easier. Then throw out the words RAID and LVM when asked to describe the setup.
Comment from: moksha [Visitor]
cephalopods have no foot prints and i assume geeks to know that.. i who is not a geek knows that.. any one faking will fall flat on his/her face!
collecting cephalopods footprint fossils..phee
Comment from: Pat [Visitor]
Pantheraleo ,
> Actually, it [java] is more likely to get you a job then any other language out there.

That's exactly why its geek factor is so low ;-)
Comment from: Pantheraleo [Visitor]
That's exactly why its geek factor is so low ;-)

Well, yeah.... But geeks have to eat too... :p
Comment from: guruofgentoo [Visitor] · http://127.0.0.1
Seems to me most of this blog post was aimed at the "barely-geek". If anybody tries some of this stuff, it's a good way to get spotted as the "wannabe". Yeah, languages in wrong order. I don't care if you put C or assembler at the top. Does it occur to those who say "Java makes the geek" that the fact that SO MANY PEOPLE know Java it's not relevant to the geek factor!!
Now the following to qualify that I truly am a geek:
Look, I've written an operating system from scratch in x86 asm and c (sure, it didn't do much, but it was an os). I've written a compiler in Java. I've written (with a friend) a multithreaded, graphical digital logic simulator (check out cedarlogic on sourceforge). I've hard wired my own devices. What about fixing computers where some dolt broke a pin off the cpu? Yep, done that too. Buried away I have old 32-port 10base hubs, coax cable, a monorail motherboard, an st506 hard drive (10MB). My computer case is made of Legos (no screws). I once ran Win98SE, Win3.1, and RHLinux 7.2 on the same box. Need I say more?
It takes a lot more than a marginal amount of esoteric knowledge, or knowing a few web markup languages. Being a geek is a mentality in which we can take tech knowledge and solve problems with it. The more problems solved, the more knowledge known - hence more geeky. We're inherently cynical by nature, so we probably won't take your word for it until we see you in action :)
That said, well, yeah, this post gives them all just about enough rope to hang themselves. Kudos to all posters geekier than I (you know who you are).
Comment from: Pantheraleo [Visitor]
re: guruofgentoo

I find your contradiction of your own logic... amusing..


"We're inherently cynical by nature, so we probably won't take your word for it until we see you in action :)"

And ye only a few sentences above that, you try to qualify "being a true geek" by expecting us to take your word for it that you have done all the things you claimed.

Personally, I've been disociating myself with "geekdom" lately... And this is a large part of it. The whole "My geek penis is bigger then your geek penis" thing.

That and the fact that most definition of "geek" are made up on the spot by whoever it is that is claiming they are a geek.
Comment from: guruofgentoo [Visitor] · http://127.0.0.1
i knew someone would notice that :) good job.
Comment from: Pantheraleo [Visitor]
"Being a geek is a mentality in which we can take tech knowledge and solve problems with it."

Btw, this is a very good point. But it is also why the whole "I'm a bigger geek then you cause I know language foo which has more geek value then language bar" is totally lame and meaningless.

The fact is, any problem can be solved in any Turing-complete language.

So I will not throw out a perl (pun intended) of wisdom:

"The true essense of geekdom is not which language you choose. After all, languages are just tools. Rather, the true essense of geekdom, is how well you wield the chosen language to create solutions to problems."

-- Pantheraleo 3:16

And one more:

"A truly wise geek does not choose a language based on its "larger penis then thou" value. Rather, the truly wise geek chooses a language, based on its suitability to attack the problem at hand."

-- Pantheraleo 3:17... Or something...
Comment from: cse423 [Visitor] · http://www.navigadget.com
I once wrote an assembly program that would find the day of the week for any year upto 9999 on a 6800.
Comment from: Pantheraleo [Visitor]
"So I will not throw out a perl (pun intended) of wisdom:"

Oops... "not" should have been "now"
Comment from: Pantheraleo [Visitor]
Btw, how can you claim that Wargames is "wanna-be fodder"?

Anyone who says Wargames was wanna-be fodder just doesn't get it at all. Wargames is one of the few movies in the "computer hacker" genre that gives a reasonably accurate portrayal about how most illicit hacking is really done. It's more about social engineering, stealing passwords, and researching people to try to guess passwords then it is about the unrealistic techo-babble that you see in most hacking situations in movies.

Wargames was undoubtably one of the classic geek movies of all time. How you can diss it as "wannbe fodder" is totally beyond me.
Comment from: Uberbastard [Visitor] · http://uberbastard.com
Got pulled here kicking and screaming from del.icio.us where you seem to rank well for a 5 month old entry.

Loved the article but if you ever wanted to learn how to talk like a geek you're better off just citing any one of the above comments. I'm not even going to comment about your choices as I was mentally flaming everyone else's comments as I scrolled down to the form.

Good job...

Now I have to go back to circuit-bending my Atari 400, geek.
Comment from: paper_crystals [Visitor]
I second War Games. War Games was an excellent movie. Also you should add X-Men to the list of movies. This article was amusing.
Comment from: Martin Schneider [Visitor]
Yeah! Great! I'm considered 1337! I coded a shooter in assembler on the motorola 68k!
Comment from: htom [Visitor]
The geek HP calc is either the 15c or 41cx (although any 41 will get you in the door, even the 42.)

And the language is Icon, the child of Snobol and Pascal.

Comment from: jmjjg [Visitor]
"All prime numbers end in 1, 3, 7, and 9."
Yup, any geek knows that 21 (3*7), 27 (3³), 33 (3*11), 99 (3²*11), ... are primes.
A much cooler one: Any number can be expressed as the product of prime numbers. (make that harder to understand in case it seems too evident) :-P
Nice article, by the way.
Comment from: nexxuz [Visitor]
I recreated the old classic game Sabatoge for the Apple IIe and I have made a GUI for my TI-85. Tho I now have no proof because someone stole the calc back about 5 yrs ago in high school.

Points for ever using the old apple mag. to get the code for breakout on your Apple II
Extra pts if you still own the mag.

ps yes my 1st computer was an Apple IIe and I was 6 or 7 then. I'm only 23 now
Comment from: Laura [Visitor]
"i who is not a geek" - nice grammar.

The correct plural of abacus is abaci. I mean, c'mon. Basic Latin (2nd decelension masculine noun.)

What about Vertigo? You can't tell me Y: The Last Man doesn't blow your mind.

And apparently, based on several comments I skimmed, many self-proclaimed geeks are homophobic & use slurs. Good job guys, promoting stereotypes and continuing the use of hateful words.
Comment from: veronika [Visitor]
Lisp is cooler than perl. Yes it is!
Comment from: jay [Visitor] · http://www.ebaumsworld.com
Ok, I read the article and read the comments. It seems to me that the person who wrote the article is a fake geek, and the person who commented gay things is obviously a flamer.
Comment from: FIAR [Visitor] · http://radioactiveliberty.com/
I can't beleive how many commenters have completely missed the point. It's a parody. Not a how to guide. There is not one person on the entire face of the planet that would want to fake being a geek. Not one. By quibbling over the correct hierarchy of programming languages, or which comic book is better, or the fact that cephalopods have no feet, you are proving the accuracy of the authors parody.

To the author - Funny stuff.
Comment from: jay [Visitor] · http://4q.cc/index.php?pid=top100&person=chuck
This is great check out the link, good old Chuck

Pinatas were made in an attempt to get Chuck Norris to stop kicking the people of Mexico. Sadly this backfired, as all it has resulted in is Chuck Norris now looking for candy after he kicks his victims.
Ok, I read the article and read the comments. It seems to me that the person who wrote the article is a fake geek, and the person who commented gay things is obviously a flamer.
Comment from: 仪表博客 [Visitor] · http://www.yibiaoblog.org/
Lisp is cooler than perl. Yes it is!
Comment from: Chris Goetschius [Visitor]
As a programmer that can program in most of the languages specified, I can tell you that the order is messed up. Here is my order, and note that I've only listed languages that I actually use. Another note: Assembler isn't a language (AssemblY IS). An assembler assembles assembly into an executable or library.

Basic, VB.NET, Pascal, Delphi, Java, Python, Ruby, Perl, C#, Lisp, GOOD C/C++, Assembly.

Java, Python, Ruby, Perl, C# will probably have different orders depending on the geek you are talking to.

If someone mentions javascript , tell them that javascript isn't a programming language, it's a scripting language (A good one though). If they mention AJAX (or even just XML for that matter) tell them that they probably don't know what they are talking about, and that they need to go and learn a low-level LANGUAGE.




Comment from: Notageek [Visitor]
"Real geeks rate Java low on the geek-cool scale."

Actually, most "real geeks" are too busy playing video games, dungeons and dragons, and comic books" to really know the first thing about programming period. So where "real geeks" rate Java is of little interest or importance.



DO NOT CONFUSE GEEKS WITH DORKS. YOU ARE REFERRING TO A DORK.
Comment from: dr [Visitor]
Hey idiots who think the prime numbers comment was wrong- These two sentences are not the same:

All prime numbers end in 1,3,7, or 9.
All numbers that end in 1,3,7, or 9 are prime.

If you can't grok that, then your formal logic skills are weak, therefore you are not a geek.

Ha! You are PWNED!

Nice post Penguin Pete, really funny!
Comment from: Pantheraleo [Visitor] · http://NotAGeek
Re: Chris

Is your caps lock key broken in the ON position?

Anyway, check out the definition of "geek" on Wikipedia. Yeah, I know Wikipedia isn't exactly a reliable source. But what you will find is that not only is there no formal accepted definition, but the definition varies regionally. In some regions, it is interchangable with "nerd". In other regions, the terms are exactly reversed from each other, and so on.

"Basic, VB.NET, Pascal, Delphi, Java, Python, Ruby, Perl, C#, Lisp, GOOD C/C++, Assembly."

I would make it Basic, VB.NET, Pascal, Delphi, Python, Ruby, Perl, C#, Java, Lisp, C/C++, Assembly.
Comment from: dan [Visitor]
feynman didn't compute cube roots on the abacus, he had an impromptu competition against someone using an abacus and discovered that he could beat him when the problem was more complex like cube roots.
Comment from: yimmy [Visitor] · http://yimmy.net
Chris Goetschius:

Assembly is frequently called assembler.

Python, Ruby, Perl, Lisp are all scripting languages. Why single out JavaScript? What defines a scripting language? An interpreter? Then Java and the .NET family are scripting languages, too.

You stupid faggot cockSUCKER, black balls eating NUT fucking FIEND.
Comment from: schwal [Visitor]
sorry, your're right, forgot control-alt-del. i read it too, plus about 7 others i didnt think were popular enough.
Comment from: BK [Visitor]
No mention of Gauss, Conway, or Erdos? For that matter, there's also Erdos numbers. I believe that mine is 3.
Comment from: Ken [Visitor]
Srry to dissapoint but "Geekospere" has been used for many a day now. It means "The environment around a computer workstation", ie the Sticky Postit Notes, Furry animals, various toys etc.
I have used it mor at least 5 years in my IT Suport role here.

good article though
Ken
Comment from: Andrew [Visitor]
There is no way that Java is even remotely cool. The loading time of Java Applets in any browser I've ever used has just destroyed the coolness of the whole language by itself.
Comment from: Jorge [Visitor]
I knew I was lost when I guffawed when somebody made a joke about C... and I got it.

And its a very uncanny feeling to realize that all the references you make are of people whose books are on my shelf or movies I've seen.
I would refer to James Patrick Hogan myself and Fred Saberhagen who has a particularly nasty take on Von Neumann machines.

My favorite for a while was listening to my Office 2000 CD, but it freaked out too many people and I stopped doing that [and beeps and scratches are only cool for so long too...].
Comment from: jimmik [Visitor]
funny, satirical article. i am not a geek or else i would know how to capitalize and make real sentences. do any of you so called geeks know how to spell though? geeks don't have a sense of humor or else there would be no responses to this. and yes i read every reply. this does not make anyone a geek, just a loser. piece. peace?
Comment from: jimmik [Visitor]
oh yeah, joss and mal will kick the asses of everyone's dad.
Comment from: Brian [Visitor]
All prime #s end in 1,3,7,9 ??

Really ? What about 21,27,33,39,51,57 etc ?? I didn't know those were prime, fancy that!!!
You should revise your statement there pal..

Funny article however...

Comment from: Laura [Visitor]
hey, person who wrote this, do you screen comments before letting ignorant assholes post sexual slurs or do you honestly tolerate such hateful words?
Comment from: Penguin Pete [Member] · http://www.penguinpetes.com/
"hey, person who wrote this, do you screen comments before letting ignorant assholes post sexual slurs or do you honestly tolerate such hateful words?"

What perfect timing that I read through the comments list just in time to catch Laura.

Yes, Laura, I actually tolerate such hateful words, and won't that come in handy when it's your turn to blow off steam? I *only* delete spam. And the spam is darn rare with the captcha system. Somebody typed one in by hand: out it went.

Flames? Swear words? Calling me gay? It's just part of life on the Internet that we can all get used to. Now, everybody join me for a group hug around Laura and sing along with me: "There will come a time when everybody who is lonely will be FREE to sing and dance and love..."

That being said, the anarchy won't last forever; when I get the time I would like to put a more civilized system in place, perhaps something Diggian. It's only lately gotten to where I have enough readers to *matter*, but Bob knows when that'll happen.

Oh, and while I'm here:
@FIAR
Best comment in the list so far. +5 insightful.
Comment from: AN [Visitor]
Really funny piece. My favorite part was the abacus -- as soon as you mentioned it, I was thinking about Feynman and the cube root guy, and there it was, 2 lines later.

The number of people who commented who couldn't parse your propositional logic regarding primes was absolutely hilarious. [geek class="pretentious"]Personally, I think primes are overrated. I find Conway numbers much more interesting.[/geek]

Oh, and Chris Goetschius,

"If someone mentions javascript , tell them that javascript isn't a programming language, it's a scripting language (A good one though). If they mention AJAX (or even just XML for that matter) tell them that they probably don't know what they are talking about, and that they need to go and learn a low-level LANGUAGE."

JavaScript is a language in the same sense that perl is. And it's actually a very good (though wildly misunderstood) language with functions as first class objects and other handy capabilities. The main problem with JavaScript is the dearth of libraries and general-purpose virtual machines.

Check out Helma, a server-side JavaScript application framework. If you're interested in developing a client-server web application using ajax techniques, you could do worse -- using the same languages on both ends of the pipe gives you the option of doing slick things like mobile code.
Comment from: McParty [Visitor] · http://www.mcparty.co.uk
Ace site! A lot easier to pass of the whole geek thing if you have long dark hair, smoke loads and have a body dependent upon caffine to function.

Music genres would have to be ebm & darkwave which are generally NIN and Sisters of Mercy turned in to trance music with an evil element about it.
Comment from: good morning [Visitor]
Now that's an entertaining article. I enjoyed it, and thanks for the confirmation. I now know that I'm at least half a geek. I lack the programming skills, however, and I personally have never had a problem with just plain old Windows. I think I actually got a copy of it WITHOUT bugs. Apparently that can happen.

Oh, and about not mentioning the Sims...they were originally going to call Spore "Sim Everything," and Spore looks like it'll be incredible.

....fine...small argument on the prime numbers.....crazy commentators? try actually naming prime numbers....11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59.......yeah. There are always exceptions to every rule, but the general rule he gave was accurate. Silly boys.
Comment from: yimmy [Visitor] · http://yimmy.net
Thanks for tolerating my comments, Pete. It takes a real man support free speech when it's used against you.
Comment from: Deicidex [Visitor]
my gods i have to hand it to the man that does this, and i at the same time have to agree with the free speach thing...

but geeks come in manny forms, i had a tsr model 80.. and a few other paper weights in my day i haven't leanred much about programing either but have allways wanted to just never took the time, and from what they where teaching in collage XHTM is is subpost to replace java and all that good stuff far as the net is conserd... but what never was answerd is how the hell are they gonna do that?!!? and windows blows gods i should have paid more to linux lol now i am plaing catch up somethnig i been aiming for for years... i fit in with "geeks" and a few other types of humans...
oh and you for got DR WHO!
Comment from: Sasidhar [Visitor] · http://www.sasidhar.org/blog/
Whats wrong with liking Matrix series !!!!
Comment from: Wintermute [Visitor] · http://www.nitemarecafe.com/
"I can't beleive how many commenters have completely missed the point. It's a parody. Not a how to guide. There is not one person on the entire face of the planet that would want to fake being a geek. Not one. By quibbling over the correct hierarchy of programming languages, or which comic book is better, or the fact that cephalopods have no feet, you are proving the accuracy of the authors parody."

FIAR: Yeah, well... We wouldn't be geeks if we didn't quibble about such things, now would we? ;)
Comment from: Wildcat [Visitor]
What, no mention of Dr. Michio Kaku, I'm not sure just how much or how little of a geek I am, I just do what I like.
Comment from: Kashif [Visitor] · http://endofweb.blogspot.com
Loved it - thanks for the best read I had last week! Only a true geek could write something that funny but true...
Comment from: Maz [Visitor] · http://www.bbspot.com
uhh, 'Hating windows and intel' HA yeah right, Intel/AMD are pretty much equal, and hating windows? No, to be a geek YOU HATE WINDOWS ME!!!
Comment from: Krow [Visitor]
Too lazy to see if someone already posted it, but, here's a female Marvel SuperHero villain:
THE BLACK WIDOW

"For decades, The Black Widow has been one of Marvel Comics' good guys — a minor one, but still a good guy. And yet, she started out as a Soviet spy, at the height of the Cold War! ..."

ref: http://www.toonopedia.com/blwidow2.htm

Hmmmmmmm, I didn't think I had geek potential, but now I begin to wonder, see... *arghhh*
Comment from: Groggy60 [Visitor]
'Hobbies: "cephalopod footprint fossils". You are in error. Cephalopods don't have feet. A safe bet is to stay with that old reliable, dinosaur poo.'

When I read that, all I could think was "What a GEEK!"

And reading the comment from "good morning" about Windows working, could he be less of a geek! - get lost!

C++ is the real geek language now, Assembler is for children trying to be geeky. What about real shitty languages like APL and Snobol?
What's with dissing JavaScript but liking AJAX - AJAX is JavaScript. Using arbirary strings as array indexes - way cool.
Comment from: kaVri [Visitor]
I'm not sure what is more lamer/geekier? to 'get' the parody, to enjoy the geeks seriously bashing it out in the comments, reading ALL the comments, or god/dess/es forbid, teh fact that I'm posting a comment of my own. *rotflmao*


Pete... hilarious. Thanx. I especially liked the mumbling about RPGs...sooo true. Also, I agree with some of your commenters... add a music section, Rizzo gave a great start. Phillip K. Dick and Douglas Adams a must. *snerk*. Also, the bit about "Rocky Horror" is classic, as was the comments on F*r*fl* (more snickering). Actually, J*shverse in general could be expanded.

My favourite moments in the comments: the all out war on programming language hierarchies, the wars over geek/nerd/dork labels and definitions, the jaded/elitist geeks who either whip out their geek penises or talk about how they've tired of all the geek penis whipouts, the sub-group of 'angry geek' who must be bitter and nasty at all costs.

FIAR... *high fives FIAR*... I couldn't believe the number of people that missed the point, but then again, I'm more of an English Geek than any other kind. *grin*.

good morning... Word about Spore. I can't wait.

Dennis... you forgot the last half of the statement: "For movies you should add "Dune", but always mention the book was better" GRIN.

claine1... "Also a geek remembers Omni magazine with love and yearning." *eyes tear up*... I kept my favourite issues.

Rizzo... Word on the music. Also, classic Jazz/Blues comes in handy when you can't be bothered remembering the name of the latest "I mother 182 Peace Sum Blink Death and Chains' group.

It's amazing how much 'age' can confer 'geek status' to the young 'uns. I'm a piss poor programmer (it was my second choice of career, and I'm not currently doing it) and not all that technical (but I KNOW Linux is better, bought AMD for my computer, and I've gamed both RPGs and Tabletop...plus I'm a grrrlgeek which gives me +10 approval anyway) but, I played "Pong", read Omni, Had a red LCD Texas calculator AFTER the big debate if they should even be allowed in schools....this makes me 'old skool' for many of my younger friends, and I didn't have to do anything but grow old and still keep younger friends in the mix. LMAO.

Peace Out.
Comment from: Kaleberg [Visitor] · http://www.kaleberg.com/spacewar
Good article on faking it. As noted, confidence and attitude are 90% of the deal.

But why am I remember an ancient Mad Magazine article from the 1960s about Conformists, Non-Conformists and Mad Non-Conformists? Conformists watched big budget Hollywood musicals and read popular best sellers, Non-Conformists watched European art films and read arty magazines and beat novels, but Mad Non-Conformists watched old Tom Mix (cowboy) serials and read back issues of the Congressional Record.

Is there a hierarchy of Non-Geek, Geek and Uber-Geek? Maybe Java programmer, assembler programmer, COBOL 98? Or Dell PC, home brew Macintosh, IBM 1130 with attached G250 graphics processor? Or mouse, space ball, punch cards?
Comment from: Jeffrey Rollin [Visitor]
On a completely different subject...

What's your policy on deleting comments? It's refreshing to see a blogger so "uncensorious" that he's willing to leave comments containing the word "gay" in them published on the sites.

Is there anything more "gay" (in the sense of "uncool, pathetic, nerdlike") than using the word "gay" to mean "uncool, pathetic, nerdlike"?
Comment from: Jeffrey Rollin [Visitor]
Update: I just read your reply to Laura.
Comment from: Manon [Visitor]

Of course it works it the long run! I've been faking for years, I have even fooled real geeks! The point is more about knowing who to fool than how, and then faking is easy. But the more important is making an effort towards indeed becoming a geek; in public, I pretend to have read the very manuals I read in private. The knowledge I fake is the knowledge I acquire, and it becomes much easier.

No, I am not proud of being a geek poser, and the real geek I want to be should be ashamed of it. But becoming a geek is hard, and bad for self-esteem. You have to read obscure manuals, to ask stupid questions (almost as stupid as the ones which deserves a "RTFM" reply, but not quite, which means that a newbie can't find the answer by him/herself) which make you feel really dumb, to face answers so direct they almost seem rude (they aren't, and I like this direct speech, but it still makes you feel uncomfortable) - and that's all good for everything except your self-esteem.

So, why waiting the long years before reaching geekiness to enjoy the admiration a geek deserves? Faking won't do much harm - pose and enjoy!

Comment from: A geek [Visitor]
Oh man this made me laugh, especially when I can identify with well of 60% of the geeky things to drop into a geek conversation, though I admit that I don't really know programming languages (however knowing assembly language is ubercool, and extra bonus points if you can name the offical assmeply language names).

Now extra geek shows to mention. Lex, Red Dwarf (yes I know it was a comedy), Space: Above and Beyond and of course Spaceballs.

As to the books, well lets just say that of the 1000 books I owe, 90% of them tend to have spaceship/otherworlds/maths/robots/dragons/knights/any combination on the list.

And finally, collections, I personally collect pre-industrial revolution, post dark ages/anglo-saxon long swords/claymores/hand-and-a-half swords with plain combat grips
Comment from: zaphod2016 [Visitor] · http://zaphodforpresident.com
Revoke my geek creds if you must, but I liked sliders. Well, I liked the first episode. Ok, ok, I liked the premise. That, and Quantum Leap shall always rule.
Comment from: Vare2 [Visitor]
This is quite funny but you are so off on the language part.
Comment from: Chompy [Visitor] · http://www.bitey.org
Whoah whoah whoah, you did NOT just dis on Wargames. You were already on shaky ground by not acknowledging the awesomeness of Aliens (there was one decent sequel, after all), but this just sealed the deal.

Send in your geek card and hang your head in shame.
Comment from: BILLONY [Visitor]
you stupid geeks think u are so kewl caus you no what binary means. well go to the av club the geek club and evan the chess team and go write your name on your underwear P.S i have a computer that will kick all your arses gigidi gigidi gigidi ALRIGHT
Comment from: NativeHipster [Visitor]
here is a totally fake geek:
http://www.time-blog.com/nerd_world
but he sure knows his way around a sentence!
Comment from: Penguin Pete [Member] · http://www.penguinpetes.com/
@NativeHipster

Correct on the first count, but actually I consider his tone better suited to www.viceland.com than a geek blog. Who the heck Time-Warner thinks they're fooling by hiring this cheesy hoofer is anybody's guess.
Comment from: saulgoode [Visitor] · http://flashingtwelve.brickfilms.com
While modern-day cephalopods may not have feet, the basal cephalopod from the Phanerozoic eon had a foot and thusly could have very possibly left a footprint fossil (though I do not have a sample in my collection).
This site tells about the binaural beat secrets. It also deals about the binary numbers conversion and even number in binary!" It doesn't matter that you have no idea what you're talking about. Don't go out on a limb and try to convert to normal numbers.
binary numbers convert
Comment from: adam [Visitor]
dude what happened to lua,binary and trinary if you say you know trinary and speak fluent binary it shuts everyone up then just state random 1s and 0s in any order you like!!!!
Comment from: Cybernet [Visitor]
Add the Language/Operating System M or MUMPS to the list and you will have genuine geek cred.
Comment from: Matt [Visitor] · http://www.characterplanet.com
Lol, I don't have to fake being a geek. I am ;)
Comment from: Jesin [Visitor]
Great article. One thing though, I think the list of languages should go more like this:

Cobol, Basic, Pascal, Ada, Java, C, Perl, Python, Smalltalk, Ruby, Lisp

Assembler definitely goes near the top, but I don't know where to put it. But seriously, how did Lisp end up between Java and Perl?
Comment from: Visitor [Visitor]
If you want to be identified as a geek of mythic proportions, be sure to mention your amateur radio license, preferably extra class. Ham radio was what geeks did before computers. Extra points for mentioning how the latest sunspot cycle has been disappointing and you haven't had any 10 meter or 6 meter openings lately. You should be safe enough with this if the geek you're trying to impress is under the age of 40.
Comment from: Goalatio [Visitor] · http://www.youtube.com/user/Goalatio
Pretty cool stuff. I happened to find this when searching for "Fake programming languages". I don't need to pretend to be a geek. I know 3 programming languages.. Batch, 16-bit assembly, and Ruby. Don't believe me? Check out my URL.. It leads to my Youtube.
Comment from: abacus [Visitor] · http://www.maths-n-abacus.com/
This is a very good point I read the article and read the comments.I can't believe how many commenter have completely missed the point.


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